Sunday, February 27, 2005

Just how shocking is the Gospel?

Sunday morning, I went to hear Rev. James Buchanan preach at Fourth Presbyterian Church, "a light in the City" in the shadow of the Hancock Building, at Michigan and Chestnut streets on the Magnificent Mile. It was an amazing experience - one of the first places that I have felt really welcomed into a church in almost 2 years. I'll be quoting some of his sermon - an incredibly powerful preaching on "the woman at the well" passage (John 4) - later on this week. But as a result of his preaching, this image came to me, almost completely, as we prayed the prayers of the church.

Pastor Buchanan started his sermon with the prayer, "Startle us, o God..." - and I admit, I prayed that prayer with him. (I'd say it was the first time one of my prayers had been answered that directly in a long, long time...it certainly worked for me.) Thank you, Pastor, for the inspiration...and with apologies to the author of the Gospel of John, I offer you...

Jesus Talks With A Gay Man - (John 4:1-33, 39-42 - more or less...)

1 In late July, the Metro Chicago Synod heard that Jesus was attracting more first-time visitors and baptizing more adults than any other ELCA pastor in the city, 2 although in fact it was not really Jesus who had baptized them, but his irregularly-commisioned staff of unordained lay ministers. 3 Now when Jesus learned of this, he left the seminary community in Hyde Park and went back once more toward the ELCA headquarters on Higgins Road.

4 Now to get there, he had to go through an area just north of downtown called Boystown. 5 So he came to a part of Boystown called Northhalsted, not far from the plot of ground where Emperor Mayor Daley had ordained that the Chicago Cubs should play baseball. 6 Cub's Stadium was near there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey on the Red Line, sat down at a sidewalk café table outside the bar called Hydrate. It was just about lunch-time, and though the rainbow flags were fluttering in the breeze and the music inside the bar was pumping, there weren't many people around (because it's often hot and miserable outside, at mid-day in late July, in Chicago).

7 A waiter came to the table, wearing a bright pink "His+His" t-shirt and a "Silence=Death" armband, and raised one eyebrow at the man seated at the table in front of him in the "Come Follow Me" t-shirt. Jesus said to him, "Will you give me a drink?" 8 (All the lay ministers had gone down the street to pick up Subway sandwiches for the rest of the journey.)

9 The gay man said to him, "Hey...you tell me. After all, you appear to be a straight Christian, and I'm a gay man. Let's face it - we don't get many religious folks in Boystown, let alone places like this. And I'm not only a gay man, but I'm a Muslim gay man. So where does a guy like you get off asking someone like me for a drink?" (For Christians do not associate with gays, nor with Muslims if they can help it.)

10 Jesus answered him, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water."

11 "Hey, mister," the gay man said, "I'm the waiter here. I don't see you with an order pad or a serving tray, and it's tough for customers to even get close to our fountain-drink station, let alone our bar. So how are you going to get anything for me to drink, let alone 'living water'? Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you somehow greater than the folks who own this place, who let us drink have free water and soda (and snitch the occasional mixed drink) whenever we want?"

13 Jesus answered, "Everyone who drinks your water, or your soda, or your beer will get thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life."

15 The gay man said to him, "Yeah? Mister...you know what, I have no idea who you really are, or even what the heck you're talking about. But you're the first Christian man in 20 years that hasn't spit on me, or called me 'an abomination' to my face. Somehow, I think I want some of what you're offering. Give me some of this water you keep talking about, so I won't get thirsty and have to keep coming here to get something to drink."

16 Jesus told the man, "OK - just call your wife and come back here, and we'll talk."

17 "Who are you kidding?" the gay man said. "Don't you know where you are? You're in Boystown, for cryin' out loud. I don't have a wife, or a girlfriend. Heck, right now I don't even have a boyfriend," he replied.

Jesus said to her, "You're right when you say you have no boyfriend. The fact is, you've had five boyfriends, and the guy you're living with now isn't even your boyfriend. He's just a guy you picked up in the club - some guy who doesn't even know your real last name."

19 Whoah, buddy," the gay man said, "that's pretty intense! How'd you know that about me?" Jesus was silent. "OK...I get it. Maybe you're one of those folks who can see right through people - maybe one of those guys with 'second sight.' Maybe you're one of those folks who 'have the Spirit,' like those televangelists say. 20 I don't know anything about that. My family - my people (the ones who are observant, anyway) - think that you have to pray five times a day to Allah to get that kind of power. The rest of the people I know don't even bother with that spiritual mumbo-jumbo...they just think you have to work out a lot, look good, live fast, die hard and leave a good-looking corpse. And all the Christians I've met think that I have to pray their way, and start living life their way, or I'm 'going to hell.' Either way, my day-to-day life is so empty, I'm not convinced that I'm not already in hell. What's a guy supposed to believe?"

21 Jesus said, "Believe me, my friend, a time is coming when you won't worship God in Mecca, or in the gym, or in the club, or in a church sanctuary. 22 You and your friends worship what you think you know, but do not know. Christians worship what they do know, for salvation is promised in Scripture. 23 Yet a time is coming - and has now come - when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

25 The gay man said, "I know that the church folks say that their Savior is coming. Maybe when he finally gets here, he will explain everything to us."

26 Then Jesus declared, "Then wait no longer. I'm the one they're waiting for."

The Irregularly-Commissioned Lay Ministers Rejoin Jesus

27 Just then the lay ministers returned and were more than a little surprised to find Jesus apparently talking with a gay man - one who appeared to be Middle-Eastern in origin, to boot. But no one asked, "What do you want?" or "Why are you talking with him?"

28 Then, leaving his tray and his order pad behind at the table, the gay man went back to the bar, and even next door to the gym and to the other clubs, and said to the people, 29 "You gotta come and see this... come see a guy who told me everything I ever did, and didn't run away or act disgusted. Could this possibly be 'the Christ' all those religious folks keep talking about?" 30 People came out of the gym, and out of the bars and clubs, and made their way toward him.

31 Meanwhile the lay ministers (the ones who considered themselves Jesus' disciples) kept saying, "Hey, padré, you may walk on water, but come on - even Michael Jordan's gotta eat something." 32 But Jesus said to them, "I have a source of energy that you know nothing about."

33 Then his disciples said to each other, "Did someone slip him some Mrs. Field's cookies while we weren't looking?"
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Many Gays and Lesbians Believe


39 Many of the gays and lesbians who gathered from all around Boystown believed in Jesus because of what the waiter said: "You gotta come and see this... come see a guy who told me everything I ever did, and didn't run away or act disgusted." 40 So when the people of that area - gay men, lesbians, bisexuals (even people in civil unions from Vermont and Episcopalians visiting from New Hampshire) came to him, they urged Jesus to stay with them. So rather than continuing the ride out to Higgins Road, the irregularly consecrated lay ministers found some rooms at a nearby bed-&-breakfast, and he stayed in Boystown - amidst the people with whom most Christians would not associate - for two days. 41 And because of what Jesus spoke to the men and women there, many more became believers.

42 The people who heard Jesus said to the gay man who first encountered him, "We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world."
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Yes, Virginia - yes indeed...the Gospel really IS that shocking.

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March 17, 2005

Over my shoulder, a backward glance...

Never, in my wildest dreams, did I ever expect the attention this entry has received. It's been humbling, and gratifying.

Over the last three weeks, I've followed Sitemeter links to many, many blogs that have linked to it, and read loads of comments. As a result, I feel I need to address a couple things that have been major themes in those comments.

First of all, this entry just poured out of my soul the night after I heard Pastor Buchanan's sermon. In it, I hoped to share a contemporary context for a story that still stuns and amazes me. I haven't gone back and edited the original post, because I truly believe that I was driven to write it by a Higher Power - that's all I can say. In many ways, this is not my writing. I took the NIV text of John 4, and worked from that.

A number of people have quite rightly gotten irate about the image of Christians spitting on a gay man. They have been justifiably angered by a broad-brush tarring of all Christians as homophobic - and I truly do regret that. However, in the same breath I have to admit that many of my gay friends have experienced that kind of behavior, and for several of them, I was the first Christian they had met who hadn't shouted at them, spit at them, or screamed, "You're going to HELL, faggot!" In addition, for 12 years I lived in suburban Kansas City, and repeatedly experienced the Gospel according to the so-called Rev. Fred Phelps as he and his followers protested in front of churches, and even at funerals of gay men.

Even in my own tradition, there is a strong sense that homosexuality is "the rhinoceros in the living room" - so long as we don't wake it up, it won't gore us. It has only been recently (after experiencing the worship communities at Trinity UCC and Fourth Presbyterian in Chicago) that I've found Christian churches that have gone beyond the "don't-ask-don't-tell" level of acceptance. So if you felt this reaction, accept this apology: if I were re-writing it today, I'd do it differently.

I mentioned that I took the NIV text as my starting point. One of the most frequent criticisms of this telling has been, "So where is the repentance? How come you left out the 'go and sin no more' portion of the text?" The fact is, I left it out simply because John left it out.

(Interestingly enough, there are lots of behaviors that I haven't repented of. I still struggle with lust, gluttony, and lying (white and otherwise); I can still be a particularly vulgar individual (especially in Chicago traffic); in short, I have not repented of a lot of the sins I committed before I accepted Christ as my savior. That doesn't mean I don't believe; that doesn't mean I don't strive. It's the difference between justification and sanctification, I guess. And frankly, people have been arguing models of soteriology for hundreds of years. I'm not going to solve those battles here...)

Another recurring comment is, "What's so freakin' shocking?" The answer, surprisingly, should be "Nothing." After all, in churches that have been using the Revised Common Lectionary, the story of the woman at the well has come up every three years for a long, long time. And the commentaries on the Gospels talk about just how much despising there was between Samaritans and Jews. So we've known all this for a while. It shouldn't surprise anyone.

But people are shocked, and startled. One man wrote, "It's like opening a bottle of ginger ale and finding Bushmill's Irish Whiskey inside; it's not bad, but it is a bit of a shock."

I think a part of this is because so much of the media and conservative Christianity has painted homosexuals as the destroyers of marriage, families, and all that is good - and the image of Jesus talking to one of "them" has been mind-blowing to a number of folks. We forget how scandalous Romans 5:8 really is: "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (NIV).

A number of people have pointed out that Jesus was a Middle-Easterner, and no one would have talked to Jesus about being "Christian" or being connected with them. You're right on - point taken. If I were re-writing it, I'd probably have changed the word to "religious people."

A few comments have been made about my use of the term "irregularly-consecrated lay ministers" instead of "disciples." This is a particularly un-subtle dig at my denomination, who regularly claims "the priesthood of all believers," but sets up sacraments (such as baptism) as things only done by regularly consecrated and ordained ministers. Call me a heretic (get in line, if you do...) but I believe the presence of the Word, the water, the people, and the Holy Spirit was enough for Jesus' time...what's different now?....

I posted some additional reflections a couple days after writing this - you can find them here and here.

Finally - to everyone who has written, and commented, and linked: I give thanks to God for you, for your affirmation, and for the time you spent to comment, to encourage, and to challenge. I'm grateful for all the attention - and hope that my few scratchings here point people back to the Gospel, to an outrageous Jesus, and to the endless love that is in Christ. Soli Deo gloria.

40 comments:

Peter said...

STeve, this is amazing. May i pass it on to our online spirituality group, Springs Family?

New Life said...

Amazing what the Gopsel really is! Great post. Outstanding!

Love is bold.

Rick

so i go said...

whoa!! amazing.. thank you Steve for this incredible post.

jeff

Im A Foto Nut said...

I get the point. Then again I never dissagreed that Heaven, and Christ's Salvation was for ALL sinners.

My other comments are best held form offline conversation.

Geo said...

The True Gospel of Jesus is so GREAT even most christians do not believe it!
Great Stuff!

Thanks

Peace

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Anonymous said...

Wow. Simply wow. Where can I read more of this Gospel of Grace and Love?

Anonymous said...

This was powerful...

And I've asked my conservative friends to comment on it over at my blog...

Jeff H said...

Maybe it's just me and my background, but it's not all that shocking to me. More shocking is that so few Christians get it--that the Gospel is a scandal. It is not meant to be taken lightly, nor is it meant to be easy to stomach. It is meant to pierce a person to their very core, to shake--no, to shatter--the very foundation of their world.

Jesus today would--and, through we Christians, should--find the lowest of the low, the most conceited of the all the conceited, the most horrific of all the horrible, and touch them. Shame on us for not being Jesus to a dead and dying world.

Michael Dodd said...

Great stuff, Steve. Years ago I saw the Fountain Square Fools in Cincinnati do a version of Jesus and the Samaritan woman that moved me to laugh and to cry. Your version touches me closely, of course, as a gay man who finds Jesus easy to deal with but some of his followers more of a challenge. Thanks be to God that God is the source of the water and pours it out on us. If we had to count on the waterbearers all the time, we might all die of thirst. {Them too, sadly.]

bobbie said...

really great steve - very moving. i replied to your comment on my blog, but i think i'll drop it in an email just so you see it.

Anonymous said...

steve,
thanks for this post. i shared it on my blog (which means you may get about two more people coming to read :-)

the woman at the well is a story that defines a lot of what we do in our community...i love provacative posts like this. good to get us thinking!

Anonymous said...

So, does Jesus eventually get to telling them (as he told the woman caught in adultery), "Neither do I condemn you, now go and sin no more?" Or not?

Steve F. said...

I took the text straight (pardon the pun) out of the gospel of John - and there, there is no "go and sin no more." The link to the text is at the top of the story...check it out.

Anonymous said...

What I'm getting at with my "sin no more" comment above is the following question. Are you making the assumption that in showing acceptance of the gay man, that this means that Jesus would not want the gay man to change his ways, that is, refrain from homosexual activity?

There seems to be a tone in the comments I've read here that Jesus talking to a gay man would be some sort of shocking surprise to "uptight Christians". Untrue. There is no sinner that Jesus is not willing to come to and offer grace to. In that respect, it is no more surprising that Jesus would talk to a gay man than that he would talk to an adulterer, or a tax collector, or an embezzler, or just about any of us sinful creatures. But he does want repentance. Are you all assuming that repentance is unnecessary and not expected? That the gay man can continue in his ways because Jesus accepts him? If so, I'm not asking you to argue for your position, I'm just asking for it to be stated explicitly rather than implicitly.

Anonymous said...

Wes D. said...

Eugene H. Peterson couldn't have paraphrased it better!

MY LORD IS A MADMAN, I TELL YOU! MAD WITH LOVE!

Erin said...

Thanks for stripping off the cultural cloak which has dulled our (my) senses.

Stinking brilliant!

the bloke said...

An amazing post. Thank you for capturing the message of the gospel and applying it to our contemporary context. May we all get the message of the gospel for today.

Anonymous said...

Dude!

Big time ;)

Steve F. said...

No, Galen...it wasn't. The truth of this lesson has been told for 1900 years or so. We read this every three years or so in the Revised Common Lectionary...it's part of "the old, old story." So it shouldn't shock anyone.

But evidently to a whole bunch of people, it is. When people look to the church of Christ - in all its brokenness and sin - for guidance instead of to Jesus, we're looking for the sheep to guide us, instead of the Shepherd.

But that's why I wrote it, in part - to let people know where I think Jesus would be, if this were today-in-America versus then-in-Samaria.

I am grateful to God for everyone who has drawn interest to this post. It seems to have struck a nerve, for whatever reason...

John Schroeder said...

Great piece, see my full comments here

Anonymous said...

the gay man keeps referring to Jesus as a Christian, and it's deemed remarkable that Jesus would be speaking to someone of middle-eastern origin...but Jesus was Jewish, and of middle-eastern origin.

Just sayin'.

Steve F. said...

Yeah, I could have done a less middlin'-rough job of making the transition from Samaria to Boystown...point taken. But I think the major points come across...

Steve F. said...

First, Tony, thanks for taking the time to reply to my post.

You're exactly right - with the exception of local color, it is exactly a "find and replace all." That's why I've been surprised by the storm of interest. My conclusion, which is only supported by the feedback I've received, is that while the power of this story has been there for more than a millenia, evidently no one has been able to convey the level of distaste that might have been present in Samaria back then. The tragedy seems to be that while the "old old story" has been saying this for years, very few people have heard it until they got clubbed over the head with it.

I appreciate your ire about my "inflammatory comment." My only excuse is that the idea of "Christians have spent years witnessing in love to gay people" has been mostly a work of science fiction in my life for the last forty years, until the last 45 days. Even at the seminary I attended for a while, I watched gay men and lesbians passed over for endorsement, sidelined in their candidacy, and attacked in subtle and not-so-subtle ways.

Until I encountered some loving folks here in the blogosphere (Rick L. at a new life emerging, among the first of them), I'd only met a very few folks who met your criteria. Then, at a conference here in Chicago I met Rev. Jeremiah Wright at Trinity UCC/Chicago, and then encountered the folks at Fourth Presbyterian, both of which have an extraordinary ministry to the GLBT community. But until then, the experience of my GLBT friends has been the gamut from "well, we won't say anything in public about your friends" to "don't ask/don't tell" to "they're gonna burn in hell, you know."

So my broad-brushing is my own sin - but it is the sin of my own experience. I'm looking forward to meeting some more of the folks you talk about...it will be a refreshing experience. My only goal was to point to the amazing scandal of the original text in a contemporary way.

Thanks again for being willing to comment. "As iron sharpens iron..."

Shelly said...

I'm a late comer to this post...guess it stirred things up a little. Just wanted to let you know that I linked to it today.

Thanks for this and blessings,

tk said...

hey,

just found ths blog today, so im arriving to the scene rather late. just wanted to say this post deeply moved, challenged, and impacted me. thanks so much for it. ill probably link to it off my blog at some point in the near future.

i work with a nonprofit youth missions organization in canada, and i wrote a blog on homosexuality awhile back that got quite a few people mad at me. i got hate mail and angry phone calls like you wouldnt believe, even though i dont think i wrote anything too offensive. oh well. but yeah. i love this post you wrote. thanks again. if you wanna read the blog i wrote on the issue, check it out here:

http://jeremysawatzky.blogspot.com/2005/02/i-like-gay-people.html

id love to hear your thoughts, drop me an email if ya want, its in my blogger profile. thanks again!

jer

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Michael, for this message.
It really hit me very hard, and I'm glad about that. I'm a homosexual, and I can't shake it off.
When Jesus said, "If you had asked me, I'd have given you a drink of living water: It was like He was talking to me. I said "Yes, please" so right now I'm hoping for my first taste.

Thanks again for your post.,
Michael

Anonymous said...

hi steve, i'm karen ward.

i stumbled across a link to your blog via jonny baker.

i'm also elca and also from chicago and now in seattle at apostleschurch.org

visit me sometime at submergence.org
and consider joining our 'eln network' of emergent/somewhat lutherans. there is a link to the beta eln site on my blog.

grace and peace

Seraphim said...

Hey man. What a gift this is you have created. I believe it retains the meaning and grace of the Word of Jesus found in John's Gospel.

Thank you. I plan to post on my blog with a link to yours.

I'shalom

Seraphim

Anonymous said...

Yeah...I found it somewhat refreshing (I wouldn't say SHOCKING) that this story would be told in this way. Coming from a UPC (that's United Petecostal Church...the Oneness folk) tradition (but a member no longer!), such things are NOT discussed. AIDS is portrayed as the scourge on the homosexual and they are judged more harshly than ANY of the sinners. It's horrible to say that because people who set themselves up as the ULTIMATE in holiness are ones that God doesn't seem to like very much...the proud. I have shortcomings and God knows they are many. But I know that while you CAN choose to act certain ways, folks who struggle with same sex attractions do not CHOOSE to. That's ludricrous. Thank you for putting this out there and giving me a heads-up about it.

In Christ,
Dave

Anonymous said...

Dear GalatiansC4V16
Thank you so much for your post. I have never heard someone clarify sin, repentence and salvation related to the area of homosexuality so clear before. I understand for people who are gay outthere and suffer the hostility of "Christians" out there. God has never called us to condemn another for Christ Himself came to save not to condemn, but one who doesn't not believes brings condemnation on himself already. It is because of the unwarrented and frankly unbiblical hostility towards homosexuals that cause so many gays and non gays to not even listen to the Gospel of repentence, forgiveness and submittance to Christ as Lord. This is rather sad because everyone is a sinner and needs Christ. It is heartbreaking to know that because "Christians" defame the name of Christ by being hostile causing homosexuals as well as other sinners to not come to realize what sin really is, what following Christ really is. The Gospel indeed is a message of love, but right along with it, Jesus says Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. The Bible is always consistent. If one theme is covered in one part of the Bible, it is covered throughout the whole Bible. Love is indeed there, and so is repentence. Sadly, because of the mistakes of Christians, many people confuse repentence with rejection, hatred, bigotry, and just plain predjudice. Well, anyways again thank you for your post. I pray that many will read it even though it is long and come to realize that Christ demands we repent of all sins and strive to obey Him although we are not yet perfect. "Work out your salvation in fear in trembling, for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure." God bless to everyone!!

Anonymous said...

lol

Anonymous said...

I was doing a reflection on John 4 when I stumbled on your website. I read it to my wife and she thought as I did it was a great article.

Your choice of Gay and muslim guy analogy does bring to the fore an example of how some christians are incapable of knowing how to deal with this issues. The Parable of the Samaritan could verywell replace the Gay and Muslim in showing that even what some rightwing christians (the likes of Rev Phelps in your artlicle would be an example) consider anathema. But as one Rev Al Sharpton once said once the dust settles it will be the right christians and not the rightwing that will carry the day in our ministry and interactions with Gay and muslim people. I pray that like Paul the Apostle (previously a rightwinger) The rightwing christian on the persecution road against that which they fear and dont know, may have a "Damascus encounter" where the Lord dramatically corrects their perception and live rightly.

God Bless

Anonymous said...

G'day,

I actually got lead to your site b another site that a friend of mine runs.

I think that this is a FANTASTIC illustration and I agree with my friend who finished his blog by saying he thinks that Christians should be more like Jesus.

God Bless You!!

Thanks Again.

Dez!

Anonymous said...

It's funny that I came across this adaptation of the story of the woman at the well from John 4, and I must say that it was very moving and challenging. From the comments you made afterwards, you know that there will always be those who closed-mindedly choose not to understand where you are coming from, but instead find things to nitpick about. I wrote something similar based on John 21 when Jesus confronted Peter about his love for Him. I had just read it over and over again and felt that I needed to put myself in it. The impact that it had on my life was amazing so I shared it with others and got a large response from it like you did with yours. Sometimes it's good to "contemparize" the Scripture. It may be just the eye-opening experience someone needs to see God. Don't stop writing the way you do. Honest, transparent, unafraid, unashamed...that's what I need from others I encounter. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Came across this months after it's written and have to say it's powerful stuff.

thank you

Anonymous said...

I'm a gay man, so of course I was curious to what Jesus would have to say to me. He of course, never mentioned a word about homosexuality, and I know one or two of the disciples had a lot to say, but given that Christians seem to have a lot to argue about, it would be nice to hear it from the man himself.

I don't have much to say to Jesus right now, but I would like to say a word or two to the author.

First off Christian evangelical types always get the gay cultural references (ie pink t shirts, and armbands...what?) just plain wrong, and let's face it, today your accountant is as likely to be as gay as your waiter. It's not a matter of 'political correctness' or whatever, just simple marketing -- a person that associates this kind of over-the-top cliche with gay 'culture' just shows they really don't know anything about gay people these days. It would be like me assuming all you evangelical types are snake handlers or go about talking in tongues. You're more likely to be amused than offended, and this is my reaction entirely.

I do appreciate the humility in the tone of the article. Many gays and lesbians grew up in Christian churches, but were rejected by their church and often their family. If Christians often find a cool reception to their ministry, can you at least try to understand where this is coming from?

Now to really shock you, here's my advice. Even if you strongly believe that homosexual behavior is a sin, does God really need you to point this out to us homosexuals every time we get in a discussion on the matter? If both of our hearts were open, God could teach one of us (or both) a lesson or two.

Another shocking fact: gays can lead stable, healthy, productive lives. When my state, Massachusetts, became the first to allow civil same-sex marriage, I went to the Statehouse during the amendment debate. I others like me, a gay man in my 30s in a relationship for 15 years. On the anti- side, what kind of religious people did I notice? Preachers in bad suits and greasy hair yelling at everyone that they were going to hell, they they would get AIDS , that their intimate relationships weren't real or couldn't be blessed by God. Not to mention all the gay Catholic priests who are kept on a tight leash. If I'm going to recognize the 'error of my ways', it's not going to be from any of these Bible-thumping bozos.

The Christian message of redemption would be welcome in the gay community, and honestly, if you believe in the power of the teachings and the scripture, you would spend less energy trying to 'convert' homosexuals and more energy trying to reach out in fellowship to them.

bruced said...

Jesus came to start a revolution of freedom, and we turned him into a religion of obligation. God help us.

Mark said...

Just found this via Maggie Dawn's reflection on this passage (came up in the lectionary yesterday) so you're likely to get a few more comments.

I have to agree with Anonymous who wrote 12/4/05 11:57 PM. His observations ring true to me and I consider myself a Christian who is gay and find myself towards the progressive end of the evangelical spectrum (adherence to orthodox statements of belief but sympathetic to social justice and cultural relevence priorities of the emergent communitites).

So good on ya for writing this. I'm sure you've caught a lot of interesting flack for it. But, as I'm guessing you already think, it simply adds to the growing evidence of making the point.

Blessings on the journey,

Livin' Vinil said...

Hello Steve! I came to this post some time ago, and really appreciated it since the very first read!
May I publish a translated (and slightly adapted) Portuguese version of it on my own blog? http://livinvinil.blogspot.com/
I'll also publish the paraphrase GalatiansC4V16 wrote (3/21/05 12:37 PM).
That's it!
Congratulations, keep rocking, and may the Good Lord keep on blessing you!
– Livin' Vinil